The answer to the question they ask below seems to be, tragically, "yes."  It is 
hard to internalize. I think that is the reason that most Americans are not 
alarmed.  So many of the differences among us have to be over what we think is 
"true."  I have many friends who, if they really believed this was going on, 
would be outraged.  They are that kind of people.  But so far, they don't really 
believe it -- or at least it has not sunk in to them that our government now 
countenances torture and even "outsources" it to rogue states like Syria.  RLC
Please see my "concerns" page:
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~canfrobt/Concerns
My blog:  http://rcanfield.blogspot.com/
Forwarded Message:
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From:    "Zalmai M." 
To:      afghaniyat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 'Ghost' prisoners Is the U.S. outsourcing torture?
Date:    Feb 27, 2005
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> 
> 
>  Sacramento Bee
> February 26, 2005, Saturday METRO FINAL EDITION
>  prisoners Is the U.S. outsourcing torture?
>  
> U.S.-born Ahmed Omar Abu Ali spent 20 months in prison without charge 
> in Saudi Arabia before he was suddenly flown to the United States the 
> other day to face charges that he abetted terrorist groups and 
> conspired to kill President Bush.
> 
> Abu Ali, who was studying in Saudi Arabia when he was arrested, 
> denies the charges. It's unclear that the government has a strong 
> case against him, since the only known witness to the alleged plot 
> was killed in a shootout with Saudi police more than a year ago. 
> 
> Why, after such a long delay, has the Justice Department suddenly 
> decided to prosecute? One reason may be that its hand was forced by 
> Abu Ali's parents, who filed a lawsuit in federal court seeking their 
> son's release and claiming he had been tortured.
> 
> The judge hearing the suit at least partly supported that claim. He 
> rejected the government's request for dismissal, saying there was "at 
> least some circumstantial evidence that Abu Ali has been tortured 
> during interrogations with the knowledge of the United States."
> 
> However this case ends, the circumstances surrounding Abu Ali's 
> detention raise again troubling questions about some of the Bush 
> administration's tactics in its pursuit of terrorists, specifically, 
> its use of "rendition" - turning over terror suspects to other 
> countries for interrogation and, say some critics, U.S.-condoned 
> torture.
> 
> Who these "ghost" prisoners are, how many there are, where they are 
> being held and exactly what crimes they are believed to have 
> committed is a mystery, at least to the public. It's widely believed, 
> however, that those "rendered" are being held by countries with 
> reputations for harsh treatment of prisoners. Saudi Arabia is a prime 
> example, and in this case it appears to have acted on Washington's 
> behalf from the outset.
> 
> What's especially troubling about this case is that it comes amid 
> growing revelations about the atrocious treatment of U.S.-held 
> prisoners in Iraq and at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in Cuba. 
> Although the full extent of this scandal is not yet known, what is 
> known is so damning that each new charge against an alleged terrorist 
> raises justifiable suspicions about the truthfulness of the charges.
> 
> Someday, one must hope, a full, impartial investigation will cast 
> much more light on how U.S. authorities have treated those arrested 
> in the wake of the 9/11 attacks - from the dragnet-like roundup of 
> Muslim men in this country, to those captured on the battlefield in 
> Afghanistan and Iraq, to Americans of Arab descent, such as Abu Ali, 
> accused of conspiring to commit acts of terrorism. One must also hope 
> that that investigation will pursue the evidence as far as it goes - 
> including, if it comes to that, all the way to the top.
> 
> 
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